This gentle man style of abuser tends to be highly self-centered and demanding of emotional catering. (For that matter, hopefully were both entirely wrong and theres no abuse concern at allbut please be careful, letter writer.). Reasons why I think so: People will be there for you. Someone I know brings their partner because that person doesn't get out much, so this is their way of helping them to socialise more. 5. Those human beings would appreciate being respected as human beings instead of walking vaginas and maybe would then, in turn, treat your loved ones as actual human beings instead of as walking jerks. He is making your life smaller with his unreasonable demands. Your situation may be complex e.g. If its making either of you unhappy, its a problem. People have already told you to leave. In my relationship, non-violent but seriously emotionally/psychologically abusive, he would say that he would never hit a woman a lot, and that if he ever made me lose contact with my family he would leave me (while doing everything possible to make me lose contact with friends and family), and endlessly postulate scenarios that would end up in him leaving me, and make veiled vague threats if I stepped over his rules of my acceptable behavior (none of which applied to him). That must feel absolutely awful, and I am sorry you are having these feelings., 2)Show that you take the feelings absolutely seriously. Feel like that is a first step to being an amazing ally. What are signs that things have changed? (Complicating things, Im pretty sure I have some degree of anxietythe descriptions fit and the coping strategies seem to be helping, anyway, but I discovered this after my last relationship endedand my first long term relationship was an emotionally abusive one, which massively ramped up the feelings of being inadequate and unwanted.). We built that badness between us, and sometimes it was built on reactions to each others bullshit. I had a guy friend in this situation and it was uncomfortable recommending a book that specifically dismissed his situation as unlikely and suspect, and which implied that he was actually the abuser. When you're struggling to come to terms with the signs your husband puts his family first, know that healthy and honest communication is the key to solving any relationship issue. What if the relationship was based on her depression, what if she didnt need him anymore, etc He brought these up in the context of I am having my own mental health issues, and she reassured him. ALL of us who are working against patriarchy are grieving. You really cant go about dismantling the patriarchy before youve done some serious mental deep cleaning. I had to move 1200 miles away without leaving a forwarding address to get him to leave me alone. So I really liked this advice, especially the part about making sure you have somewhere else to go after ending things: when I finally broke up with that dude, he sent me several texts asking whether I would be sleeping in my own apartment or at my parents house that night. Maybe he will get better someday, LW. I am not going to change all gender pronouns to neutral ones to create a fiction that feels better for them, for example, or stop recommending resources that deal with male partner violence. I was terrified that no one (even on Team Me) would believe me because they knew my abuser, or strangers like strange doctors etc just wouldnt believe me because I couldnt possibly be right. But I did it, and although he went through a very rough patch after our breakup, and he still hates me for betraying him when he needed me most, hes now much happier and stronger and I am at peace with my choices 100%. It doesnt matter whether you are acting as if you dont trust your partner or your partner is acting as if they dont trust you, because either is a big flag of a problem in the relationship. I had all of that, once. She always said, when she was in one of her apologetic phases, that physical violence was a line shed never cross. This is probably true. Im writing this comment with the assumption that you, soukup, are a lady-identified person; forgive me if Im misreading. Mr. What an obituary. I was pretty confused by all this at first (men having Feelings? It shouldn't take you long to figure out if the guy you're dating is over their ex. I wouldnt focus on LWs gender; it really has very little bearing on LWs situation. (Notice the twist here: This is just what an abuser accuses his partner of doing to him, when all she is really looking for is a heartfelt Im sorry.). I am awesome now. I appreciate the kind way that it was delivered. At the risk of creating a false hierarchy of pain (I mean, grief is grief), I have the impulse to remind your friends that I and other women are likewise grieving that there is some level of disconnection with this huge section of the human race, *and* I have to deal with the fact that this disconnection for me is based on well-founded fear for my life and my human dignity. For the record, him cheating on me probably would have been easier to take than many other things on that aforementioned list. He asked me to move in with him. Myth #14 of Chapter 2 is about this: There certainly are some women who treat their male partners badly, berating them, calling them names, attempting to control them. You can take responsibility for your own anxiety AND share your experience of that anxiety with a loved one, but its going to take some time to develop new communication patterns in any relationship, just like any other habit. The narcissist thinks that getting rid of your pet means your attention will now solely be on them. Im fortunate to have a spouse who doesnt use those tools against me, and I think him having a framework for how my brain works when Im in the throes of anxiety is very helpful for both of us. I wish you a whole lot of luck and love, and, I really hope you stop feeling gaslighted soon. In my experience, people worth meeting are aware of their prejudices and open to overcoming them. The problem is that instead of getting help, they take the misogyny cure and decide the solution for their sad feelings can be found by closely monitoring the woman in their life and making sure she never leaves or does anything that threatens their fragile sense of well-being. And Im glad we all came out of it and are here to help LW. A therapist or counselor can help you figure out how to have that conversation with your partner. There are lots of women abusers who fit into the patterns of abusive behaviour youre describing hereand there are lots of men who are victims of this stuff, tooand there are lots of people in relationships like this who dont identify with the pronouns and identities youre talking about here. I do a decent job of managing this particular anxiety on my own usually but sometimes a quick reminder that it is just anxiety is helpful to me and he doesnt mind doing that for me. After an aggressive incident, he will speak of his actions as anger rather than as abuse, as though there were no difference between the two. Yikes. He thinks you find him uninteresting for good reason; because he finds his own life uninteresting. At this time he also started therapy. I know Jennifers generally thoughtful and awesome on gender stuff, so I figured there was no harm in asking whether the LW had provided gender info before I made a comment that might inadvertently use the wrong pronouns or other gendered language. My absolute first reaction to this. I remember feeling a giant weight lift from me afterwards, when I realized that I did not have to account for my activities to him anymore, ever again. Fortunately there was still a part of my brain that knew this was completely dysfunctional and my partner realized that too and pulled back. Please tell someone you love and trust about this aspect of your relationship with your boyfriend before you do anything to move forward, just so that they have a sort of heads-up and can help you watch for the Waves of Guilt, if you are like me and might experience those. No matter what, you are going to be okay. I know that it can be hard for men to talk about this stuff with other men, but talking about this stuff openly and honestly WITH OTHER MEN is part of ally work. Sensitive and may help explain your feeling that something has gone awry: 1. I suggested we take a break from contacting each other for three months. The fact is, I *did* manipulate my husband sometimes, especially when the relationship started going south. (3) Its offloading onto women dudes responsibility to deal with their own feelings of discomfort at the realization that we live in patriarchal misogynist societies. In my experience, this is the way sensitive, well-intentioned men feel AFTER they have started to learn about misogyny/rape culture/womens survival skills and take it seriously, but BEFORE they actually start sympathizing with women/stop seeing us as Other. By talking only about situations where men are abusers and where women are victims, youre excluding lots and lots of abusive relationships relationships between women, relationships between men, and relationships between people who dont fit neatly into those categories. Right, I know you get info that doesnt appear here, which is why I asked. they know that you didnt cheat in the 15 minutes since you last talked and they know that telling you they would never hit you is scary. If this is you, please dont feel bound by any of that. I should never have had anything to do with him. He needs to realize that you and the partner in his head who looks like you and would leave him for a fart sandwich if you simply had the chance are not the same person and you cant be held responsible for what Imaginary Partner does.. Explain your plan (counselling, art therapy, establishing a bigger support network of friends, etc.) Ill see you Monday.. Ive got a female meatsuit that I have to wear every day and Im not as down about men as your friends seem to be about women. What is it about him that makes him such a great guy when hes not behaving like your ankles are where he lives now? playing the game HIS way. But reading the description above of Mr. is a great book that could be really helpful to the LW. It sounds awful to feel like you cant be happy/entertained without someone else. He wouldnt try to go everywhere with me, but when we were together I heard a LOT of everyone leaves me and youll get tired of me just like everyone else type statements. If Bancroft instead just said his data are about male abusers of women, and that a common strategy of these abusers is to claim it is their victims are are in fact the abusers, but that his evidence cannot address how commonly women do actually abuse men, it would be more useful. Most of the men who are victims of IPV are abused not by women, but by other men. I tell him I love him and he is an excellent husband (because he is), then fetch the thermometer. I checked the are you in an abusive or controlling relationship lists online way too often, but he was smart enough to gaslight so it looked like he was doing the opposite. 4 out of 5 victims of intimate partner violence in the USA are female. Try to explain the nature of your worries, make it very clear they are your issue and nothing (a) that they did wrong and (b) that they could possibly fix. So, reassure her that . It can be so draining and distressing. But OMG, so many years of misery, and for no good reason at all. Good news! A partner should be supportive and facilitate your desire to change and grow, not stifle you. EVEN IF IT DOES HAVE WHEELS. Throwing around statements about how someone needs to see a psychiatrist can also be a hallmark of gaslighting, in my experience. Hi LW. He may speak out about the absurdity of war or the need for men to get in touch with their feminine side. No one can make someone see clearly when they are invested in NOT doing so. Like I say, it works for us and it may be something worth trying for someone else but ultimately everyone has to find whats best for their relationship themselves. 1. Firstly, consider the timing. These issues are hard, and that sounds like youre doing good things. 1. Especially do not get into a car with him after you break up with him. I should have left far sooner. You don't feel understood. He had a yeast infection and it had made his thinking wonky but he was better now and we HAD to talk! As sure as I am that his anxietyis real, I am also sure that this is not your problem to solve for him. You have to actually let yourself be abandoned and work through the resulting feelings by yourself if you ever want to heal. Its very easy for this to happen without you really understanding whats going on, because he can just put all this friction in the way of you doing and being stuff he doesnt like. Basically stop putting your life on because your BF is too lazy or selfish to do the things you want. LW, I dont know what level of commitment the two of you are at or what measures youd be willing to take but heres what it took for us to shake this problem. Will he call you 10,000 times? It has also occasionally helped as a way of gauging my general anxiety levels. He is a great guy when hes not being gnawed on by the hounds of insecurity, but I cannot carry on like this I dont have a problem with telling him where Im going or who Im with, but sometimes I just want to do things without having to justify why I want to be alone. Another reason your dog might stay close to your side is positive reinforcement. My anxiety would ratchet up til I needed to ask the question but a short answer helped me deal with it and move on quickly. I tried to love him so much that hed love himself. Withdrawing? People with his sort of issues, WILL find a way to attempt to extract reassurance from you (and the attempts can get pretty darn creative lemme tell ya) as long as you make yourself available in any way. Being not entirely out in all situations (trying to explain nonbinary to well-meaning but somewhat small-c-conservative middle class people in church is so not going to happen) Im kind of used to being misgendered but I fully accept that how I react is not how others would react and for a great many people I know it would be A Very Big Deal. Thing is, they never use it against me and theyre well aware that its their problem. Im very very glad youre safely away from this person! Start spending an extra few days a week with friends who do share your mutual interests. I said, Yes, very calmly, and went and did. He plays up how fragile he is to divert attention from the swath of destruction he leaves behind him. We had no social network, and any time away from him was guilt-inducing, but if he came to any event he dissected and criticized everyone for weeks (my family, friends, coworker). Especially when your partner isnt quite getting the concept of anxiety disorder and keeps thinking if they reassure you enough it will work. Do it at a time that is convenient for them, probably pre-arranged, and gives them time to process and ask questions. I was told, & this was vital for me to hear, that its OK if you dont try absolutely everything to help your partner. Im broken and horrible and I dont deserve to live, which of course only resulted in my staying and trying to persuade her she was wrong about both herself and me. If I had read an answer like the one CA gave you back in 1985 I would not have spent a decade of my life involved with a manipulative and brilliant, uber-sensitive narcissist, trying over and over to fix him and make him okay. Im sorry. Except it wasnt I will never hit a woman, it was I dont believe in hitting girls, but I do believe in hitting back. (Out of nowhere, of course.) Have you considered they may be unable to connect with half the human race because they dont see this half as human beings? He went for driver training and became a train operator whilst in that time I got promoted up to line controller (thankfully not on the same line). After A(r)SE and I moved in together, I started putting myself back together again. Im healing and happy and free and smiling. People with this sort of problem need to work on it alone, because a major aspect of their healing is to learn to genuinely feel and accept their feelings of abandonment. Last paragraph very true. One left to pursue her dream of painting in the UK. Dudes emotions about feminism are their own to manage. X finds me pretty and is turned on by me. And. He can choose to trust you, or to act like he trusts you, even if his jerkbrain is screaming at him not to. If he feels like youre providing something he cant provide for himself, why WOULDNT he have terrible self-confidence? Hopefully they can both get what they need. He kept quiet for a while, but every couple of years hed try to make contact again. I dont know why I never made that connection before, but yeah that Friend Who Wants You To Lean On Them Exclusively has a lot in common with the abusive partner who wants you isolated and sad. Thanks. Dec 11, 2010 at 8:56 PM. Your mileage almost certainly will vary. If Id been looking out for myself better, Id have left my husband when I started grad school. Im really glad you brought this up it puts a lot in perspective for me. Also in my experience, men acting sexist towards women are far more common than women acting sexist towards men. Ive had both, but somehow framed each situation in a way that did not highlight this commonality. Something my grandmother once said, paraphrased: There are no bored people, only boring people. Or, as restated by my father: If youre uninteresting, it probably means you lack interests. People are interesting when they invest themselves in something, whether it be writing, reading, juggling, philosophy, political theory, becoming an electrician, making/flying kites, church, or anything else. And you dont need ANY reason, besides that its what you really want. And they are seriously crushed when it feels like women dont trust them no matter what they do. Captain- I think that Why Does He Do That? I never thought my ex would be capable of this but after an initial cordial period between the two of us the drunken suicidal texts started rolling in. I like this appoach (and its awesome it worked for you!) Sometimes, if we feel like were being suffocated but we dont want to get away from the person whos making us feel suffocated, we try to train ourselves to get by on less air. You just really dont need to feel bad about growing in different ways, having different priorities, whatever. He still exhibited ALL of the behavior in this post, particularly refusing to get a social life and hobbies of his own because he didnt feel he could do it without me (He burned a lot of bridges and I ended up being his only friend.) He said women cant abuse, and if a man accuses a woman of abuse hes an abuser himself. He was not abusive, but he was a gigantic, soul-sucking Man Baby. But for the years between, I heard a lot of, Of course youll leave me. My Dudebro didnt go to prison, which Im grateful for in some ways because going through the trauma of having to talk to the police again about what was going on might have broken me. Leave the conversation, leave the building. Im sure in a rom com, hed be a hero. Also? If youre leaving to go to wherever from your home while hes there,: Hey, Im going to be at Hobby for most of the afternoon, but Ill be back by 7pm, so start thinking about what you want to do for dinner this evening. This sounds so much like my experience. Yes, that includes your spouse's attachment to his family. The warning signs were there all along; he was clingy, always needing reassurance, his feelings were always more important than mine and he knew all the psychobabble. :-*. If he doesn't reciprocate or the conversation dies out, that's a red flag. In the past he has said he likes me because I make [his] boring life interesting, which I find extremely concerning. To add, initially my partner did try to just reassure me. I was really inexperienced & felt uneasy, but didnt realize how out of line that was. You deserve not to have to try. Its hard. Often he has participated extensively in therapy or twelve-step programs, or reads all the big self-help books, so he speaks the language of popular psychology and introspection. Does it feel like you are a person who makes good decisions and knows what is right for you? My recollection is that he did. It CANT work. It just happens that lots and lots and lots of men need to be called out consistently on their sexist behaviour towards women. Hes typecasting you in the present as the heartless mean woman who will break his heart by leaving someday, which manipulates you into the position of having to reassure him that you arent that person. It will be hard and horrible and awkward to end things with this guy (and if Im reading him right based on your letter the aftermath wont be pretty either) but it will literally be the best thing you could do for yourself. Its your life and you get to choose! We can talk about this more later, but I have to get going now.. LW It must hurt to read what Im sure looks like a sea of Nope from strangers talking about a relationship you care about. tell your partner that they dont need to reassure you, that this is your issue and you will work through it in time/with therapy. Its possible that he never would have turned violent, but his insecurities made him possessive and controlling, and that made me unhappy. 2. Holy crap, I just left this relationship a few months ago and everything the great captain says is spot on. He wants you to feel secured and happy .this is what he thinks and this is the only reason he does it.but if you are not comfortable with his going with you everywhere ,then politely tell him about what you feel,give him signs so that he himsel. There are great benefits from solo travels. But dont underestimate how humiliated a woman feels when she reveals abuse; women crave dignity just as much as men do. I tried so hard to stick it out. Hes already crossed over into manipulating and controlling you and while he may cross back out of doing that at some point in the future after getting some help, this relationship is already compromised and I dont think you should stick around to see if that happens. Several of them, in fact. You can not be his 24-7 carer, and you cannot treat this problem. Hey Im feeling kind of lonely, can I have some cuddles? Ive been missing you a lot lately, want to go for a drive? Will you pet my hair while I eat these mashed potatoes? He also put in a lot of work into developing his own life after we moved in together to avoid the couple-blob-merge that sometimes happens. You have so many smart thoughts and I know that your heart is in the right place about this. But this guy has explicitly said he feels threatened by your self improvement, by the more confident, happy and healthy you. And the longer it went on, the more elaborate my anxiety became and soon the only time I felt okay was when my partner was actively reassuring me, and even then I would think things like, But theyre only saying that because I told them Im anxious. This is a major source of sadness in their lives. Its weirdly disturbing how different every experience like this can be, yet the common threads are still there. The fact that people in his life were always disappointing and hurting him was a HUGE part of his personal narrative he had a play hed been writing that he let me read a draft of, and it was all about how people in the main characters life failed him and treated him poorly over and over again. I worked so hard to make him feel secure and loved. I can tell hes getting sicksometimes before he realizes itbecause he will look like hes about to cry and begin apologizing for being a bad husband (i.e., not being able to produce large amounts of money and time by snapping his fingers). I cant really see most romantic relationships surviving the degree of separation thats necessary for change. Butneuro-thrush?!!! I used to have to text pictures of myself arriving to the grocery store to prove that I hadnt tripped onto a dick on my way there. Anyway my partner and I sorted it out by (1) my going on antidepressants and (2) our getting relationship counseling in which (3) we learned the techniques of being a container for the others feelings and active listening. 2.- because half the human race has already written them off as monsters; so its the fault of women that your loved ones cant connect with them, I take it? It also kind of sounds like these friends of yours arent crying about feminism, but rather about Imaginary Feminism: http://pervocracy.blogspot.com/2011/04/imaginary-feminism-101.html. 4. And in the same line of thinking, if he wants to have an interesting life, HE needs to be doing things he finds interesting. My codeword for the same thing is gremlins. It has statements like X loves me. I definitely believe he could have seen this in his groups, but yeah. This can get in the way of true emotional intimacy and feel . I got this huge long rambling email about 4 years after Id walked out, going on about how a candida infection upsets the balance of the whole body, with a load of pseudo-medical babble thrown in that hed no doubt cobbled together from sites like naturalnews, finishing with this very dodgy explanation that the yeast infection screwed up his neurochemistry so what happened wasnt REALLY his fault so I ought to forgive him and give him a second chance. My situation just involves friends, so it was not that bad, and all theres been to do about it was get over it and not talk about it and accept that we cant be close in certain ways, so thats that but still, I feel grateful for hearing it expressed by someone else in a way that gets at how it actually feels. Just take a minute now or the next time you feel suffocated and try to remember how it feels in your body and your brain. " No elaboration, no apology, no reassurance, no negotiation. One way Ive managed that need in my own life is I wrote a list of statements in my phone for when I feel anxious. If you can, try journaling. Try starting a conversation with him and asking him questions first. Just know that this is likely to be far from a simple fix. If theres no way to find a resolution that also is pleasing to your partner, then this isnt a viable relationship. You deserve a boyfriend who cheers your victories and is pleased by your good news. 6 years of half fun together, and half anxiety through the roof because of my issues. After that six month period, his anxiety slowly and gradually lessened from Slightly-Less-Bothersome to Present-but-No-Big-Deal, to Barely Noticeable over the course of the following year. 1.- Feminism is not widespread enough yet for half the human race to be even aware that sexism affects them negatively. Sometimes I just want to go drink tea by myself, and sometimes that means I cant pet his hair until later.
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