The other fell short, and entered Bismarck below her side armour belt, the shell exploded and flooded the auxiliary boiler machinery room and forced the shutdown of two boilers due to a slow leak in the boiler room immediately aft. And then well be able to provide further comments on the nature of the issue and the impact to her current schedule. Social Media and Comment Moderation Policy. She was sunk alongside her consort, the battlecruiser HMSRepulse, in an attack by 85 Mitsubishi G3M and G4M bombers of the Japanese navy air service. These are highly complex warships, and sometimes things go wrong. Basically prop strike on some rocks: if Im reading you right, Was the nav sonar switched on and could anyone interpret it? The vessel had only just set off for its trans-Atlantic crossing in August 2022 to participate in exercises off the US eastern seaboard and host a . Hood's first salvo straddled the enemy ship, but Prinz Eugen, in less than three minutes, scored 8-inch-shell hits on Hood. 2 was shut down, with a loss of speed to 28kn (32mph; 52km/h). The navigating officer was wounded, but Captain Leach was unhurt. The expedition's findings sparked considerable interest among naval architects and marine engineers around the world; as they detailed the nature of the damage to Prince of Wales and the exact location and number of torpedo strike holes. Consequently, the findings contained in the initial expedition report[40] and later supplementary reports[41][42] were analysed by the SNAME (Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers)[43] Marine Forensics Committee and a resultant paper was drawn up entitled Death of a Battleship: A Re-analysis of the Tragic Loss of HMS Prince of Wales, and was subsequently presented at a meeting of RINA (Royal Institution of Naval Architects)[44] and IMarEST (Institute of Marine Engineering, Science & Technology)[45] members in London in 2009 by Mr William Garzke. Soon afterwards, Hood exploded and sank within three minutes, with the loss of all but three of her crew. You mean an out of limits, for the location, manoeuvre? At 05:35, lookouts on Prince of Wales spotted the German ships 17mi (15nmi; 27km) away. The guns could be elevated 40 degrees and depressed 3 degrees. The adultness is then down to how well and promptly they are fixed for the tasking(s) to hand. HMS Prince of Wales (R09) is the second Queen Elizabeth -class aircraft carrier of the Royal Navy. While the Berlin Admiralty was satisfied with Ltjens' success, it was tempered by news of Bismarck's damage and the decision to head for France. Drafts are similar but they also spent a lot of time dredging before either carrier went down. The British public were shocked that their most emblematic warship had been destroyed so suddenly, with the loss of more than 1,400 of her crew. [18], The Germans held their fire until 05:55, when both German ships fired on Hood. At 02:11 on 10 December the force was again sighted by a Japanese submarine and at 08:00 arrived off Kuantan, only to discover that the reported landings were a diversion.[32]. Swedish territory as well hosted individual ground-level coast watchers who were able to follow and report on movements in Swedish coastal waters. [49], Ltjens detached the undamaged Prinz Eugen to continue raiding on her own. 20 years ago, nobody would have known this would have happened, and pretty much zero fuss would have been made about it. [nb 3], This was followed by an explosion that destroyed a large portion of the ship from amidships clear to the rear of "Y" turret, blowing both aft turrets into the sea. Garzke, William; Dulin, Robert; Denlay, Kevin: Sunk by Japanese air attack, 10 December 1941, "Malaysia seizes Chinese ship suspected of looting wartime British wrecks", "H.M.S. It is all down to risk/reward. [N 1] Tovey threatened to resign his position and appear at any court-martial as 'defendant's friend' and defence witness. 'Embarrassment' as new aircraft carrier's landmark mission to the US hangs in the . [51], Carls had already drafted a message recalling Ltjens to Germany, but had not yet sent it. One hopes its a prop issue as you would have to really try hard to stuff a shaft. Why hasn't he tried to get out of there or why hasn't he turned around? The combatants (Bismarck and Prinz Eugen) were identified by in-country coast-watchers located in Denmark; who were able to identify the ships and communicate with their clandestine contacts, the dates and times of the German surface units, moving in their designated coast-watch areas of responsibility. [2] Work on the heavy cruisers Admiral Hipper and Admiral Scheer, both under refit in Germany after their own raiding operations, was delayed by British air attacks that struck supply depots in Kiel. [41], Holland's death led to responsibility for Prince of Wales falling to Wake-Walker in Norfolk. The British ships continued to chase Bismarck until 18:16 when Suffolk sighted the German battleship at 22,000 yards (20,000m). Secondary armament guns in action Considerable damage to bridge. preparing for a different tasking IIRC. A subsequent call to Group West's commander, Admiral Alfred Saalwchter, revealed that he did not plan to recall Ltjens and that he felt such a decision should be discussed between Schniewind and Raeder.[51]. Prince of Wales was struck four times by Bismarck and three times by Prinz Eugen. Definitely not in deep maintenance or refit. Reluctantly, Holland ordered Hood and Prince of Wales to turn south-southwest but he detached his destroyers which continued searching to the north. [26], On 25 October Prince of Wales and a destroyer escort left home waters bound for Singapore, there to rendezvous with the battlecruiser Repulse and the aircraft carrier Indomitable. The warship travelled from Stokes Bay to Portsmouth Naval Base earlier, using only one propeller. Just before 03:00, Suffolk regained contact with Bismarck. The second attack force, comprising seventeen "Nells" armed with torpedoes, arrived at 11:30, divided into two attack formations. As with all things shit happens she will get fixed and hopefully nothing else will go wrong in the rest of her service. However I am guessing the deepest course will always be the same location. [26] On 5 August Roosevelt boarded the cruiser USSAugusta from the presidential yacht Potomac. Beatty, likewise, felt he needed to engage German Admiral Franz Hipper's battlecruisers with his own forces instead of drawing the Germans toward Admiral John Jellicoe and the British Grand Fleet. "Having sailed from Portsmouth, HMS PRINCE OF WALES remains in the South Coast Exercise Area." Note: See also ADM 199/1149. In the 21st century, her wreck was illegally salvaged by scrap metal dealers. She was still fitting out when war was declared in September, causing her construction schedule, and that of her sister, King George V, to be accelerated. The British battleship HMSPrince of Wales and the battlecruiser HMSHood fought the German battleship Bismarck and the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen, which were attempting to break out into the North Atlantic to attack Allied merchant shipping (Operation Rheinbung) through the Denmark Strait between Greenland and Iceland. Hood had been reported by Group North to be off West Africa and there had been no reports of a King George V-class battleship in the vicinity. Ive been to the ship today to see for myself what the issue is, and how we in the Royal Navy can work together to make sure that the ship can successfully returned to her tasking. Britain's five-year-old 3billion aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales faces 'long spell' in a dry dock after breaking down with a 'mechanical fault' hours into its 'landmark mission' to the. oh yeah defect. The plan's success depended on Suffolk's continually unbroken contact with the German ships. "The ship's company are getting ready to sail for further training and trials in 2021.". [1] The element of surprise which was considered essential for the operation's success had most definitely been lost; the German ships continued to be shadowed by Wake-Walker's squadron. Any chance there are hostile nation frogmen around Portsmouth? Given the prior warning of the German sortie, there was ample time for the Royal Navy to place armed reconnaissance at both ends of this narrow alignment. A row ensued between Tovey and his superior, Admiral Sir Dudley Pound. These observations were passed directly to Royal Navy intelligence by routine maritime diplomatic channels maintained by the British naval attach in Stockholm. Analysis of the Sinking", https://pacificwrecks.com/ships/hms/prince_of_wales/expedition-job74.pdf, https://www.pacificwrecks.com/ships/hms/prince_of_wales/death-of-a-battleship-2012-update.pdf, "Description of the Lower Hull Indentation Damage on the, Home Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers, The Royal Institution of Naval Architects, "Celebrated British warships being stripped bare for scrap metal", "U.K. Royal Navy 'Distressed and Concerned' by Illegal Chinese Salvage of WWII Wrecks", "Chinese salvage ship caught red-handed looting battleship wrecks", "Cammell Laird Presents Replica of Historic, http://www.smh-hq.org/jmh/jmhvols/773.html, The survey report of the wreck of HMS Prince of Wales compiled after Expedition 'Job 74', May 2007, 2012 update analysis of the loss of Prince of Wales, by Garzke, Dulin and Denlay, Description of lower hull indentation damage on wreck of HMS Prince of Wales. Force Z was diverted to investigate. As per the report, BAE Systems directly and indirectly supports nearly 15,000 jobs and spends over 500 million in procurement across Scotland. Newsreel footage of Operation Halberd, as filmed from, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HMS_Prince_of_Wales_(53)&oldid=1162559455, This page was last edited on 29 June 2023, at 21:44. She suffered engine trouble, abandoned her commerce raiding mission without having sunk any merchant ships, and made it to Brest. Apart from the PR and reputational damage, further delay in F-35 SRVL developmental flying is perhaps the biggest single cause for concern resulting from the breakdown. Holland had ordered firing to begin on the leading ship, Prinz Eugen, believing from her position that she was Bismarck. Hood Association-Battle Cruiser HoodThe History of H.M.S. Not updated on QE situation but I believe she isnt in a refit or deep maintenance; any chance of her replacing PoW? At 05:58 at a range of 16,500 yards (15,100m), the force commander ordered a turn of 20 degrees to port to open the range and bring the full battery of the British ships to bear on Bismarck. Suffolk lost contact with its reconnaissance target (the enemy fleet) in what was essentially a closed, confined rectangular space; aligned generally northeast (the entrance to the Denmark Strait) to southwest (the exit of the Strait into the Atlantic). A spokesperson for the Royal Navy told Naval Technology: "HMS Prince of Wales is alongside at HMNB Portsmouth conducting repairs following a flood in an engine room. Eight Type 96 "Nell" bombers dropped their bombs close to Repulse, one passing through the hangar roof and exploding on the 1-inch plating of the main deck below. This explosion might have travelled through the starboard fuel tanks, igniting the fuel oil there, setting off the forward magazines and completing the destruction of the ship. QM2 etc. Paid for out of public funds back in the day. It was restored, then presented for display by First Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Sir Alan West, to the Merseyside Maritime Museum in Liverpool. This treaty limited the number of ships each nation was allowed to build and capped the tonnage of all capital ships at 35,000 tons. Guam twice remember when the original plan was. [17] This temporarily left only five[30][31][nb 7] 14in (360mm) guns operational, but nine of the ten were operational in five hours. Isnt that quite a positive start if needs be? December 10, 1941. Aware of Hood's inadequate protective armour, distant to the southeast of where the battle took place, Holland's superior (Admiral Sir John Tovey) considered ordering him to have Prince of Wales sail ahead of Hood. Queen Liz the one that managed a global deployment without an issue to that vessel you mean? Her designed metacentric height was 6feet 1inch (1.85m) at normal load and 8feet 1inch (2.46m) at deep load. The wreck lies upside down in 223 feet (68m) of water at 33336N 1042842E / 3.56000N 104.47833E / 3.56000; 104.47833. HMS PRINCE OF WALES. Please leave a comment below if you have something to say! It is possible that Hood was struck again at the base of her bridge and in her foretop radar director. Lindemann then requested permission to slow Bismarck and heel the ship first to one side then the other to weld patches from the inside to the holes in the forward hull. [6], The water was pumped out through the joint efforts of a local fire company and the shipyard, and Prince of Wales was later dry-docked for permanent repairs. British aircraft carrier finally on way to Scotland for repairs Top brass remain optimistic Its a very tight turn in the channel and Eagle clipped a propeller in the same spot many years ago. Moves were subsequently made to court-martial Wake-Walker and Captain John Leach of Prince of Wales. HMS Prince of Wales has begun its journey home after it broke down off the Isle of Wight. When the problem first occurred it was said damage to shaft and rudder , I cannot see the rudder being impacted by shaft or propellor problems unless it fell off ? They were the only battleships built at that time to adhere to the treaty, and even though it soon became apparent to the British that the other signatories to the treaty were ignoring its requirements, it was too late to change the design of the class before they were laid down in 1937. A British board of enquiry quickly investigated the cause of Hood's explosion and produced a report. Buckling of the shell plating took place over a distance of 20 to 30 feet (9.1m), rivets were sprung and considerable flooding took place in the port outboard compartments in the area of damage, causing a ten-degree port list. HMS Prince of Wales' departure has been delayed once more after a "crack" was found in part of the aircraft carrier's machinery. Less than 10 minutes after the British opened fire, a shell from Bismarck struck Hood near her aft ammunition magazines. Prince of Wales soon broke off the engagement.[1]. Rest assured the Royal Navy continues to meet its commitments to deliver operations. The Internet age. The ships of neutral Sweden acknowledged the transit of the main combatants in the normal shipping lanes in the North Sea, and reported on them in their normal routine to their maritime authorities. That will mean no Westlant 22. Boiler Room No. The situation worsened further when, at 03:20, Suffolk reported that the Germans had made a further course alteration to the west, placing the German and British squadrons almost abeam of each other. A flooding incident aboard the British Royal Navy's second Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier, HMS Prince of Wales, will reportedly prevent the warship from going to sea for at least six. Open fire! Lacking effective damage control, she soon took on a heavy list.[35]. This gave Prince of Wales a top speed of 28 knots (52km/h; 32mph). Joys of drone based journalism and ship tracking. Remember the lobster pot wrapping round the propeller. Compared to every other nation with carriers its not that bad. The HMS Prince of Wales's departure from Portsmouth had already been postponed due to a technical issue. Well must not be in same spot, PoW have a much bigger draft. Schniewind pointed out that at noon Ltjens had crossed the demarcation line between the Northern Hebrides and Southern Greenland, thus passing from Group North's operational control to Group West; therefore, the decision to recall Ltjens was no longer Carls' to make. Ultimately, Hood sustained enough damage to cause . [39], The reality was that Ltjens' orders did not cover a spectacular success like the one just achieved. .mw-parser-output .geo-default,.mw-parser-output .geo-dms,.mw-parser-output .geo-dec{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .geo-nondefault,.mw-parser-output .geo-multi-punct,.mw-parser-output .geo-inline-hidden{display:none}.mw-parser-output .longitude,.mw-parser-output .latitude{white-space:nowrap}33336N 1042842E / 3.56000N 104.47833E / 3.56000; 104.47833. In April 1941, the German Kriegsmarine intended to send the recently completed fast battleship Bismarck into the Atlantic Ocean to raid the convoys carrying supplies from North America to Britain. Steam was provided by eight Admiralty boilers which normally delivered 100,000 shaft horsepower (75,000kW), but could deliver 110,000shp (82,000kW) with forced draft. Fortunately for Prince of Wales, neither shell exploded, but she still suffered minor flooding and the loss of some fuel oil. The blade of the propeller if damaged. I seem to remember the liner QM2 having problems early on. Prince of Wales had already identified and engaged Bismarck, whereas Hood is believed to have continued to fire at Prinz Eugen for some time. [23] Thirteen of her crew had been killed, and nine wounded. The position above marked with an 'X' is where it is deepest (that is, where hull is pushed inwardsthe most from the bottom edge of the amour belt) and there is some Hood sank in about three minutes with 1,415 members of the crew. Belfast if for some odd reason Rosyth cant step up to the plate. The third struck the hull underwater and burst inside the ship, flooding a generator room and damaging the bulkhead to an adjoining boiler room, partially flooding it. The torpedo struck Prince of Wales on the port side aft, abaft "Y" Turret, wrecking the outer propeller shaft on that side and destroying bulkheads to one degree or another along the shaft all the way to B Engine Room. [nb 3]. He ordered Prince of Wales to follow Norfolk at her best speed, so that Norfolk and Suffolk could fall back on her if attacked. However the two cruisers were not informed of this plan because of strict radio silence. [19][20][21] The damage to the bow cut access to 1,000 long tons (1,000t) of fuel oil in the forward fuel tanks, caused Bismarck to leave an oil slick and reduced her speed by 2kn (2.3mph; 3.7km/h). Prince of Wales, 24 May 1941", "DEATH OF A BATTLESHIP. [35], On Bismarck there was tremendous elation at the sinking of Hood. Only its not funny.. im sick of keyboard warriors all over social media calling it a disgrace etc etc, so what it,s developed a problem, lets get if sorted and get her back out, and better it broke here at home than miles away where we have to send equipment out to fix whatever has gone wrong, Oh the hard-left on social media are actually celebrating the incident, but then they back Putin too so , Its not Friday yet, but if I can please ask, have any tacky UK tabloid headlines been something like POW Carrier Shafted! lol, Indeed, as per this one in the Washington Times. [46], It is currently traditional for every passing Royal Navy ship to perform a remembrance service over the site of the wrecks. [12] During full-power trials on 31 March 1941, Prince of Wales at 42,100 tons displacement achieved 28 knots with 111,600 shp at 228 rpm and a specific fuel consumption of 0.73lb per shp. [37] The British ships made their last course change at 05:49, but they had made their approach too fine (the German ships were only 30 degrees on the starboard bow) and their aft turrets could not fire. In the event, the ground-level coast-watching observations from both neutral and occupied territories identified the principal combatant units sortied for the Exercise Rhine operation from the moment they left German territorial waters. After the initial assessment, its likely the fault will require repairs, which may impact the ships programme. So she could replace PWLS (PoW apparently is not a favoured Acronym for obvious connotations), but that would mean whatever shes getting ready for would have to slip. Neither ship was in good fighting trim. He chose the latter at 05:37. Time 1253 Addressed Admiralty C. in C. Home Fleet C.S.1. A 20.3cm (8.0in) shell from Prinz Eugen found its way to the propelling charge/round manipulation chamber below the aft 5.25in (133mm) gun turrets, and a 38cm (15in) shell from Bismarck hit underwater below the armour belt, penetrating about 13ft (4.0m) into the ship's hull, about 25ft (7.6m) below the waterline, but was stopped by the anti-torpedo bulkhead. Its not personal issues concerning the state of flying training. On 2 December the fleet docked in Singapore. Brilliant, lets see if it is a headline in the next week. USAF convened accident investigation boards to exhaustively determine causes of major accidents; presume RN has some corresponding procedure, an Admiralty Board of Inquiry perhaps? I may be in a minority here but I do believe it would be prudent to bring KGV dock Southampton back into action as an alternative back up solution. update on the situation with HMS Prince of Wales, confirming what the UK Defence Journal was first to report. My betting is that the prop shaft was faulty to start with, not unheard of, there is a cruise ship in service that has this issue, limiting its cruising speed(it was deemed it would be too expensive to replacecthe shaft). On Prince of Wales, it seemed that Hood collapsed amidships, and the bow and stern could be seen rising as she rapidly settled. Holland had Prince of Wales stay close to Hood, conforming to Hood's movements instead of varying course and speed, which made it easier for the Germans to find the range to both British ships. Roosevelt. [5][11] The ship carried 3,542 long tons (3,600t) of fuel oil. The original at the National Museum of the Royal Navy's Portsmouth Historic Dockyard location was surveyed as part of the process. I was on Illustrious in 2007 in the Baltic sea. She also carried 80 UP projectors, short-range rocket-firing anti-aircraft weapons used in the early days of the Second World War by the Royal Navy.
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